# Vital Synth by Matt Tytel

**URL:** <https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974>\
**Category:** Software\
**Created:** [November 15, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974 "2020-11-15T16:29:30Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![wyleu](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/wyleu/32/514_2.png) [@wyleu](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/wyleu)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/41 "2021-03-08T17:14:39Z")

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> [@riban](#):
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> Also we should consider a better way to share patches.

Absolutely !!!

If just so we could have a test set to prove it all works !!

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**Author:** ![riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/riban/32/2331_2.png) [@riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/riban)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/42 "2021-03-08T17:51:43Z")

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Ooh ooh ooh! I am so excited… The latest KXStudio vitalium works with GUI. @jofemodo please add this version (2021-03-06) to Zynthian. I now have vitalium running with native GUI in VNC and it is so cool. I love love love it! There goes the rest of my week 😄 😊 . I may even create some presets… but no promises.

[Edit] If you want to get to know Vital then defo check out [this video](https://youtu.be/7qQX6YGBQEA). This guy steams through the whole interface in about 30 minutes detailing pretty much everything you need to know. It is fast paced but that really works well. You don’t get bored whilst he labours a point and can easily pause and go back to various chapters which are marked up. I have watched it a couple of times and feel quite confident with this beast of an instrument. I feel like my teenage self with a brand new toy. Oh! did I mention I was excited?

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**Author:** ![riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/riban/32/2331_2.png) [@riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/riban)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/43 "2021-03-08T18:48:12Z")

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It would be good to be able to map LV2 controllers to specific Zynthian pages / encoders, e.g. bringing Vitalium Macro 1-4 to the first page would be useful. @jofemodo is this already possible or should I submit a feature request?

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**Author:** ![riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/riban/32/2331_2.png) [@riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/riban)\
**Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/44 "2021-03-09T15:14:05Z")

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Thanks to Instatetragrammaton for validating which patches in their repository are redistributable I have now converted these to LV2 and added to Zynthian. Update and enjoy. Of course some of them do tend to splat and pop because Zynthian isn’t powerful enough for some of the processing but hopefully it will give you a flavour of what this excellent synth engine is capable of and maybe there will be some that work okay for you.

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**Author:** ![Baggypants](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/baggypants/32/1911_2.png) [@Baggypants](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/Baggypants)\
**Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/45 "2021-03-09T18:46:52Z")

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Call it ‘Charactor’ like the detuning of oscillators in the 70s

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**Author:** ![wyleu](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/wyleu/32/514_2.png) [@wyleu](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/wyleu)\
**Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/46 "2021-03-09T18:54:01Z")

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When you consider how much of the sounds of the 60’s and 70’s were the result of equipment frequently pushed into regions that were often well outside the original designers brief, it’s rather sad that the modern digital world breaks up in such a generally unpleasant way . . .

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**Author:** ![MaxMaxis](https://discourse.zynthian.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@MaxMaxis](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/MaxMaxis)\
**Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/47 "2021-03-09T22:13:03Z")

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Has the possibility of an end user import/convert utility been looked into?

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**Author:** ![STM](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/stm/32/5013_2.png) [@STM](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/STM)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2021, 5:26am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/48 "2021-03-10T05:26:17Z")

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@wyleu  
Overdriven analog circuits ❤  
Overdriven digital signals 🤖

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**Author:** ![riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/riban/32/2331_2.png) [@riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/riban)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/49 "2021-03-10T09:29:23Z")

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Apparently electromagnetic field microhones are a thing that the kids are getting down with to experiment with sound. To me this is picking up all the unwanted noise we strive so hard to design out of our electronic audio devices!

On a subject sligthly more relevant to the topic heading… I did some tests with a fairly simple sawtooth based pach in vitalium and found that it was quite stable (no xruns) when run without the UI but with UI running it started to xrun when more than one note is played so to get best experience, enable GUI to do your sound design (it is a fantastic interface) then disable it for performance. I hope we might find a way to do this dynamically but have not yet found a way to connect and disconnect the GUI - but I continue to investigate…

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**Author:** ![Baggypants](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/baggypants/32/1911_2.png) [@Baggypants](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/Baggypants)\
**Post date:** [March 10, 2021, 11:07am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/50 "2021-03-10T11:07:51Z")

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> [@riban](#):
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> To me this is picking up all the unwanted noise we strive so hard to design out of our electronic audio devices!

This reminds me of the time I told a guitarist his audio was heavily distorted coming into the mixing desk and he might want to back off the amp a bit. He wasn’t happy.

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**Author:** ![Pastitas](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/pastitas/32/8243_2.png) [@Pastitas](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/Pastitas)\
**Post date:** [March 11, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/51 "2021-03-11T13:18:30Z")

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> @jofemodo please add this version (2021-03-06) to Zynthian. I now have vitalium running with native GUI in VNC and it is so cool. I love love love it! There goes the rest of my week 😄 😊 . I may even create some presets… but no promises.

How is this coming along, do we have a build recipe for this??

> It would be good to be able to map LV2 controllers to specific Zynthian pages / encoders, e.g. bringing Vitalium Macro 1-4 to the first page would be useful. @jofemodo is this already possible or should I submit a feature request?

I’m also very interested in this, as i’d like to do the same for some helm parameters and obxd

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**Author:** ![MaxMaxis](https://discourse.zynthian.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@MaxMaxis](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/MaxMaxis)\
**Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/52 "2021-03-12T03:32:20Z")

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Adventure Kid Research & Technology [(AKRT)](https://www.adventurekid.se/akrt/)  
Has a collection of single cycle, 600 sample waveforms,  
these 1,344 byte snippets are not too hard on a preset budget.  
the .wav versions work with the standalone Vital’s _Add Folder_.  
(the “_snippets_” folder has more complex reedy sounding waveforms,  
that may not play well with others in chords)

[The whole collection](http://www.adventurekid.se/AKRTfiles/AKWF/AKWF.zip) of 4383 waveforms is 6.2 mb uncompressed.

One potential code patch that came to mind; make the Advanced/Oversampling selector switchable during preset selection, some presets are likely to have to switch down to _Draft_ to work on a Pi, particularly a Pi 3. (Oversampling has no Macro dial linkage or MIDI learn in the standalone version)

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**Author:** ![freeKey](https://discourse.zynthian.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/779978/32.png) [@freeKey](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/freeKey)\
**Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/53 "2021-03-14T17:51:26Z")

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How could I imagine that just when I am away, vibing in the void for some time, I would miss THIS?  
Huge excitement over here!

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**Author:** ![jofemodo](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/jofemodo/32/2_2.png) [@jofemodo](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/jofemodo)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 2:46am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/54 "2021-03-15T02:46:43Z")

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> [@riban](#):
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> @jofemodo please add this version (2021-03-06) to Zynthian. I now have vitalium running with native GUI in VNC and it is so cool. I love love love it! There goes the rest of my week

Oaouuuu! Really nice GUI!! I didn’t read this until now.  
Simply update your zynthian and enjoy!! 😉

Cheers!

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**Author:** ![sisko](https://discourse.zynthian.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@sisko](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/sisko)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/55 "2021-03-15T09:04:48Z")

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Strange, if I have VNC activated, it does not work, There is no GUI and no sound. If I deactivate VNC I have sound but still no GUI (looks like it crashes immediately).

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**Author:** ![riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/riban/32/2331_2.png) [@riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/riban)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/56 "2021-03-15T11:13:46Z")

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Have you updated Zynthain?

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**Author:** ![sisko](https://discourse.zynthian.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@sisko](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/sisko)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/57 "2021-03-15T11:40:00Z")

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Yes, several times, I also tried to search for new lv2 plugins (including several reboots, deselectting/selecting plugins)

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**Author:** ![riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/riban/32/2331_2.png) [@riban](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/riban)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/58 "2021-03-15T11:53:03Z")

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It takes quite a few seconds for the synth to load the first time and even longer for the GUI to display.

Try this:

- CLEAN ALL
- Reboot
- Enable VNC
- Open VNC viewer, e.g. [http://zynthian.local:6080/vnc.html](http://zynthian.local:6080/vnc.html)
- Add Vitalium layer on channel 1, selecting a preset
- Wait for 20s
- Check VNC viewer

Also in VNC viewer use the teminal to enter: `apt search vitalium` and check it comes back with `vitalium-lv2/now 5:20210306 armhf [installed,local]` (amongst other things).

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**Author:** ![sisko](https://discourse.zynthian.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@sisko](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/sisko)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/59 "2021-03-15T11:55:44Z")

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hm is there something wrong?

```
root@zynthian:~# dpkg -l|grep -i vitalium
ii vitalium-lv2 5:20210302.2 armhf Spectral warping wavetable synth (LV2)
root@zynthian:~# apt search vitalium
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
vitalium/bionic 5:20210306 all
  Spectral warping wavetable synth

vitalium-lv2/bionic 5:20210306 armhf [upgradable from: 5:20210302.2]
  Spectral warping wavetable synth (LV2)

vitalium-vst/bionic 5:20210306 armhf
  Spectral warping wavetable synth (VST2 and VST3)
```

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**Author:** ![jofemodo](https://discourse.zynthian.org/user_avatar/discourse.zynthian.org/jofemodo/32/2_2.png) [@jofemodo](https://discourse.zynthian.org/u/jofemodo)\
**Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 11:56am UTC](https://discourse.zynthian.org/t/vital-synth-by-matt-tytel/4974/60 "2021-03-15T11:56:49Z")

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> [@riban](#):
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> Also in VNC viewer use the teminal to enter: `apt search vitalium` and check it comes back with `vitalium-lv2/now 5:20210306 armhf [installed,local]` (amongst other things).

In fact, the latest version is “5:20210312.3”.

```
root@zynthian:~# apt search vitalium-lv2
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
vitalium-lv2/bionic,now 5:20210312.3 armhf [installed]
  Spectral warping wavetable synth (LV2)

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