Physical modeling engine: Ripplerx: lv2 installation pull request & merged

[hannesmenzel]

@jofemodo

RipplerX is now available in vangelis (testing).

Very nice! That means that staging isn’t parallel to vangelis anymore. Let’s see if I can switch to the latter without braking the instrument this time.

@jofemodo

You can find a lot of good examples in the zynthian-data/lv2-custom folder:

I do not speak this language, but from reading the examples it means to add groups to the bottom of the file

[filename]_lv2:[GROUP ID - arbitrary name but basis for ordering alphabetically]
	a pg:InputGroup, pg:ControlGroup; # Don't understand the difference
	lv2:name "[GROUP DISPLAY NAME]" ; 
	lv2:symbol "[GROUP ID IN LOWER CASE]" .

Then adding each parameter to a group

pg:group [FILENAME]_lv2:[GROUP ID] ;

and add in case it is a adsr param:

lv2:designation param:[attack/decay/sustain/release];

Correct? But to be honest, I am a bit overwhelmed.

@jofemodo

AnalogTapeModel

that also seems so interesting

I think it’s one of the best, but also quite complex.

[hannesmenzel]

@jofemodo

available in vangelis (testing).

Sorry to ask again, When I last time updated to vangelis it broke my system. There was much apt update && upgrade involved. I heard this should not be the case.

Now I switched to vangelis again, it is working this time, but the system did again update 161 packages. Is this indended?

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#                          #      ZynthianOS ORAM-2409
#            ##            #      Timestamp: 2024-10-02
#      ##   #  #   ##      #      Built from RaspberryPiOS Bookworm (aarch64)
#     #  #  #  #  #  #     #      ----------------------------------------
###   #  #  #  #  #  #   ###      Kit:           Custom
#  #  #  #  #  #  #  #  #  #      Display:       Generic HDMI/DSI Display
#   ##   #  #  #  #   ##   #      Soundcard:     HifiBerry DAC+ ADC PRO
#         ##    ##         #      Wiring Layout: MCP23017_ENCODERS_V5TOUCH
#                          #      ----------------------------------------
 ##########################
                                  zynthian-ui: vangelis (e48c01)
                                  zynthian-webconf: vangelis (9e5e06)
                                  zyncoder: vangelis (092fb2)
                                  zynthian-sys: vangelis (c8d472)
                                  zynthian-data: vangelis (b3cdb0)
                                  ---------------------------------------

Linux zynthian 6.6.47-v8-16k+ #1794 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 29 16:30:28 BST 2024 aarch64

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
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individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
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(venv) root@zynthian:~# update
update-alternatives         update-dictcommon-aspell    update-gsfontmap            update-pciids               update_zynthian_code.sh
update-ca-certificates      update-dictcommon-hunspell  update-icon-caches          update-rc.d                 update_zynthian_data.sh
update-catalog              update_envars.py            update-initramfs            update_rubygems             update_zynthian_recipes.sh
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update-default-ispell       update-fonts-dir            update-mime-database        update_system_image.sh      update_zynthian_sys.sh
update-default-wordlist     update-fonts-scale          update-passwd               update-xmlcatalog
(venv) root@zynthian:~# update_zynthian
update_zynthian_code.sh     update_zynthian_data.sh     update_zynthian_recipes.sh  update_zynthian.sh          update_zynthian_sys.sh
(venv) root@zynthian:~# update_zynthian.sh
Updating zynthian-sys (vangelis)...
Updated 0 paths from the index
Already up to date.
Updating System configuration...
Alsa Mixer already configured for HifiBerry DAC+ ADC PRO...
SOUNDCARD_MIXER is OK
BOOT LOG ENABLED
OVERCLOCKING => None
RBPI AUDIO ENABLED
OTG ENABLED
SOUNDCARD CONFIG => dtoverlay=hifiberry-dacplusadcpro\nforce_eeprom_read=0
DISPLAY CONFIG => disable_overscan=1\nhdmi_force_hotplug=1\nhdmi_drive=1\nhdmi_group=2\nhdmi_mode=87\nhdmi_cvt=1280 800 60 6 0 0 0\ndtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d-pi5,noaudio
CUSTOM CONFIG =>
Executing update recipes...
Current patch level: 20250214.1
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--2025-02-18 18:52:34--  https://os.zynthian.org/plugins/aarch64/RipplerX.lv2.tar.xz
Resolving os.zynthian.org (os.zynthian.org)... 116.202.123.69
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HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
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[jofemodo]

@hannesmenzel

Is this indended?

Yes. Totally intended. When moving to testimg (vangelis), system packages are updated to the last.

Regards

[hannesmenzel]

@jofemodo , I’m already doing something here. I have control groups now and the parameters assigned to it. Do I order the pages and params with

lv2:displayPriority *;

or

lv2:index *;

?

Do I have to keep the params in order then? Because there’s some ordered list

patch:writable
[...]
patch:readable
[...]

In vst I remember it was critical for patches to keep the param id order intact.

And if I’m already here: Is there a shorter way to updating the lv2-custom file to the plugin folder than updating the system?

[jofemodo]

You sort parameters with DisplayPriority. First parameter on each group determine group ordering. This can be a little be confusing.

[hannesmenzel]

Ok, so I keep the order in the file intact and use the priority. And it’s also usable for ordering params within the group as well as groups itself?

And what is lv2:index 1 ; good for then? It’s used in several ttl’s.

[hannesmenzel]

@jofemodo

requires a volunteer write a custom TTL adding the parameter groups and envelope (ADSR) designation to the right parameters.

@jofemodo
So here is my submission. That was tough.

dsp.ttl (20.3 KB)

[hannesmenzel]

Now that I got a bit into it, I had some questions in case I had a rush on editing other ttls:

1. How will my future updates in vangelis work? Will there be a merge conflict since I just created a file in a git observed file system?
2. is there a comprehensive tutorial here on how to edit custom-lv2 ttl? (ignore following questions, if so)
3. Is there a guide about how a meaningful order of parameters should be implemented for different engines already?
4. Like asked above: what is the purpose of lv2:index 1 ;
5. Can I assign custom parameter display strings?
6. Can I reorder parameters without breaking the functionality?
7. Is there a guide about lv2 parameter editing in terms of param shape or any transfer functions, enum handling (int to string conversin), data type (double/float/int/bool) and so on regarding these kind of ttl editing already?

I’m asking all this because I could really imagine diving deepee into this system to finally contribute something to this great project, but I would definetly need a “bold push” to get there.

[riban]

Hi @hannesmenzel!

These are all good questions. The LV2 documentation is painful. It is the kind of documentation that makes sense, only after you understand the concepts, i.e. you don’t learn from the docs but instead have to work out (e.g. from other examples) what is meant then you can understand what the docs mean… well that is my experience!

@hannesmenzel

How will my future updates in vangelis work? Will there be a merge conflict since I just created a file in a git observed file system?

The update mechanism in zynthian tends to overwrite existing changes. If you manually git pull then you have to manage conflicts yourself. Basically, you should chose to use the normal user update method if you are a normal user of manual pull/merge if you are a developer. I seldom use the normal update methods - only if testing the update mechanism.

@hannesmenzel

is there a comprehensive tutorial here on how to edit custom-lv2 ttl? (ignore following questions, if so)

Probably not. Check the wiki. A search for “LV2” shows a few pages with varying relevance.

@hannesmenzel

Is there a guide about how a meaningful order of parameters should be implemented for different engines already?

No! We tend to be sympathetic to the upstream design. It may seem logical to have some form of uniform approach, e.g. oscilattors then filters, then envelopes, etc. but this may mess with the workflow of a synth and is not necessarily good practice for all engines. We hope that upstream developers have already considered this (though in practice many don’t). Mimi-d is an example where the upstream developer is very concious of zynthian implementation and considers parameter order and grouping carefully. Others have different targets in mind so may have different criteria when planning this.

@hannesmenzel

Like asked above: what is the purpose of lv2:index 1 ;

This is the unique id used by the source code to identify each parameter. These must not be changed. They do not signifiy order. They are simply uids.

@hannesmenzel

Can I assign custom parameter display strings?

Yes. The “lv2:name” parameter is for display purpose only. The “lv2:symbol” parameter is the UID used by clients / hosts to identify the parameter. (It is poor practice to have redundant data, with index and symbol both acting as a UID but they must both remain unchanged.)

@hannesmenzel

Can I reorder parameters without breaking the functionality?

Yes. Use “pg:group” to categorise parameters into groups and “lv2:displayPriority” to order parameters within a group. The same display priority may be used for controls in different groups, e.g. withing envelope group you can have display priorites: 1, 2, 3, 4 and then also within filter group you can have display priorites: 1, 2, 3, 4.

@hannesmenzel

Is there a guide about lv2 parameter editing in terms of param shape or any transfer functions, enum handling (int to string conversin), data type (double/float/int/bool) and so on regarding these kind of ttl editing already?

Not that I am aware of. I tend to look at other examples (or what I have done before) to remind myself of how to achieve my goal. Remember that all numbers in LV2 are treated as floating point, even though they may be displayed as other types. Enumerations can be quite verbose and I tend to write a python script to create them to reduce typing and the risk of error.

Consider this a bold push and not a long hard stare!

[hannesmenzel]

Thanks a lot for the comprehensive answer!

@riban

Yes. Use “pg:group” to categorise parameters into groups and “lv2:displayPriority” to order parameters within a group. The same display priority may be used for controls in different groups, e.g. withing envelope group you can have display priorites: 1, 2, 3, 4 and then also within filter group you can have display priorites: 1, 2, 3, 4.

What I applied yesterday in the ttl above is to use distinct display priorities. When using 1,2,3,4 in each respective group I don’t know how to fix the group order. So what I did is starting with 99 and go backwards to order both the controls within groups and between groups alike.

You mean I could apply display priority to both groups and controls? That would have been easier.

By the way, my questions towards “guides” and “tutorials” was maybe a bit misleading. I rather thought also about weather there was a discussion already which lead to agreements how to do that.

@wyleu

Grouping ADSR’s have been discussed as a result of MiMiD but that sort of alignment was recognised.
Discussion is the first step, and then we can play with branches, and back to the mercy of the diety’s that watch our every move.

[riban]

No, what you did is right. Zynthian uses the display priority parameter to order controls and the group parameter to group them so, if you want to order groups, you need to use display priorites across groups, e.g. to show the filter group before the oscillator group, assign higher display priorities in the filter group than in the oscillator group.

Be aware that these are not saved in the snapshot so, if you want to change the order, it can be done in the ttl and will be used next time the engine is loaded.

There hasn’t been too much discussion here on best practice. Feel free to lead such a discussion.

[hannesmenzel]

@riban

@hannesmenzel

Can I reorder parameters without breaking the functionality?

Yes. Use “pg:group” to categorise parameters into groups and “lv2:displayPriority”

I meant if I can reorder the position of the respective parameter implementations in the file.

[jofemodo]

Hi @hannesmenzel and @riban!

We could implement displayPriority for groups, so ordering groups would be a lot easier. Of course, this doesn’t mean we have to modify current TTLs, but it would simplify further work.

@hannesmenzel, once your custom TTL is ready, you should do a PR to zynthian-data repository, so it’s managed in zynthian updates and available to all users.

Regards,

[hannesmenzel]

@jofemodo

@hannesmenzel, once your custom TTL is ready, you should do a PR to zynthian-data repository, so it’s managed in zynthian updates and available to all users.

@hannesmenzel

So here is my submission. That was tough.

dsp.ttl (20.3 KB)

It is ready. Sorry, but I don’t speak git fluently and don’t know how to do that.

EDIT: Well then, here is the PR.

[hannesmenzel]

@hannesmenzel

a pg:InputGroup, pg:ControlGroup; # Don't understand the difference

This one I did not figure out though.

[jofemodo]

Merged! It’s already available in vangelis branch. Just update and enjoy!

Thanks a lot @hannesmenzel ! Good work! Have you considered doing more work like this? We have a bunch of synth engines and audio FX that would benefit from LV2 grouping

Regards,

[hannesmenzel]

@jofemodo

Have you considered doing more work like this?

I would do that occasionally. There are still some things I am a bit unsettled. First thing is to find out how to do the git right, not just accidentially doing it right. Otherwise some more insight in these LV2 structures like this

@hannesmenzel

@hannesmenzel

a pg:InputGroup, pg:ControlGroup; # Don't understand the difference

This one I did not figure out though.

and this

@hannesmenzel

@riban

@hannesmenzel

Can I reorder parameters without breaking the functionality?

Yes. Use “pg:group” to categorise parameters into groups and “lv2:displayPriority”

I meant if I can reorder the position of the respective parameter implementations in the file.

and some other things.

[wyleu]

Did I miss anything…?

[hannesmenzel]

@wyleu

Did I miss anything…?

I think this would be a good summary:

@hannesmenzel

don’t know how to do that.

Well and maybe this:

@jofemodo

Merged!

[wyleu]

Welcome to our world.

Someone will be along soon to feed you rook soup.

It will be horrible, and way too much of it . . .

Well done.