Pianoteq 9.0 released

EDIT: THIS POST IS RATHER IRRELEVANT

I also have a new controller that sends this when hitting/releasing the pedal:
CH#01 CONTROL_CHANGE 64 => 127

CH#01 CONTROL_CHANGE 64 => 0

I think there was a thread about that somewhere, and that normal sustain pedal maybe is a different command. I will try and search for it

I think CC64 toggling between value 0 and 127 is the default behaviour of simple sustain pedals without half pedaling.

Yes i just found the thread and admit that maybe i should have searched for it before posting and coming to the same conclusion :slight_smile:

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The MIDI 1.0 spec actually says values 0..63 should be treated as off and 64..127 as on. (Pedantic? Moi?)

I think you need some pedantry to get projects like this one working. I just did not come across any midi controller which handles the input of a on/off switch which a sustain pedal without half pedaling is other that translating it to the min/max value. But I do appreciate accuracy and an eye on details.

It might be also important how engines/instruments only realizing on/off sustain information in case you connect a continuous controller pedal to it.

So I stand corrected and would say: most midi controllers handle a closed contact as CC64 on 127 and an open contact as 0, some vice versa and some completely different.

EDIT: Thinking about this twice your point totally makes sense there, where you differenciate between how

  1. A midi controller interprets the resistance applied at it’s CC/sustain pedal jack (very low/infinite in case of a on/off sustain pedal, variable in case of a more advanced one) and translate this in the digital domain
  2. A hardware or software engine which interprets the given digital information and should be able to process both discrete and continuous information to a reasonable outcome. Here it makes totally sense to state that for example everything <= 63 is no sustain and everything >=64 is sustained, because it handles every information generated by variable or discrete resistance.
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My thoughts as an amateur student about Pianoteq is that the best way to ā€œfeelā€ what this software can do is using a good digital piano as a controller. No other keyboard controller, even the best one, wich does not have weighted keys, can give the correct sound response. I have a modest Yamaha P115, wich is not so great but not so bad (and have crappy sound by itself) and i consider it sufficient for my skills. Furthermore, a good audio card and good speakers are essential because everything about pure sound passes through them. Again, i own basic stuff: Behringer 404 HD and Presonus Eris e5 XT. I must say that this entry level system gives me a lot of satisfaction, and i’m sure that an expensive upgrade would give me more richness in sound and feeling. Starting from a personal budget, i think that the ā€œkeyā€ is to understand when the amount of money you spend will stop giving clear improvements. But just think that only Pianoteq with is price and its funcionality its the best starting point to buy a great software piano system.

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I agree. You can have the best piano sounds in the world, but if you have a poor keyboard, they’ll never come out as they should. I have a Studiologic Acuna 88, which I consider superb, and a Yamaha Arius digital piano connected via MIDI, and I’m very happy with them. I stand by my opinion, which is that few have ears to hear even the slightest differences. I absolutely don’t have them, and I focus more on the keyboard’s response to dynamics. I’d rather have a worse sound that responds better than a fantastic sound that doesn’t have dynamics to the touch.

For example, I don’t like upright pianos that don’t have a ā€œdouble escapementā€ (how will Google translate this word?) and therefore don’t allow for a ā€œPianissimoā€ like I like. Someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to write this in English better than I can. I love Pianoteq because it has a long way to go between ā€œPianissimoā€ and ā€œFortissimo.ā€ I hope I made myself clear.… sorry.

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And sometimes you can find an older synth with 88 weighted keys for a good (<$300) price, for example an Alesis QS8.

Of course, whether you like the keyboard is very much a subjective matter of personal taste!

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I use a MIDI pickup on my guitar. I don’t expect it to sound like a guitar. It sometimes sounds (quite a lot) like a piano! I have a Fatar keybed that can also sound like a piano. Oddly, it can also sound like a guitar. I had an upright piano that mostly sounded like a broken upright piano but sometimes sounded like a creaking floorboard and bag of nails.

Make the best music you can with the tools available and enjoy the opportunity to play a quality instrument when it occurs.

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If I’d had the sounds I have now in the '80s and '90s, I probably would have studied much more… Instead, I find myself now, a young 63-year-old, studying quite seriously. What I notice is that the sounds are improving, but the music is getting worse… always to my taste, of course.

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Same as it ever was.

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I see your point @riban , but I’d say the decline was far less dramatic from Bach to Keith Jarrett.
Take a quick browse through SoundCloud these days and there’s this unmistakable drift toward minimalism — harmonically and in terms of sound quality.
Rather ironic, really: we’ve got all these incredible tools and sounds at our fingertips, yet so much of the music feels thinner and less expressive.
It’s almost as if technical progress and artistic depth have developed an inverse relationship.

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It is enough to upload the new binary pianoteq_trial_v902.tar.xz and all preset are loaded automatically?
auto answer: yes

I can’t find Yamaha CP-80 (electro-acoustic piano)

The CP-80 was renewed in V9. Maybe you need to upload the new KIVir ptq again?

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I had the CP 70b for many years, but I only miss the keyboard which was like that of a grand piano… but as for the sound, I wasn’t very happy… but how many concerts…:smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Hello,

I’ve have an Oram version (up to date). I’ve uploaded Pianoteq 9 (registered) but can’t see it in the list when creating a new chain. I had pianoteq 8.4.1 previously, and now I have no version listed.

The web conf shows pianoteq 8.4.1 and not 9.0.2.
What could be wrong ?

Thanks !

If you already have a PianoteQ instrument in your snapshot, when you add another instrument, PianoteQ disappears because you can’t have two in the same snapshot. But I’m sure the technicians will be able to explain this better.

I think you have to be running latest Vangelis (test version) to install newest PianoTeq because PT changed the filetype of their install file.

Could one just unzip it and zip it back in the other format? Or is life more complicated than that?

That might allow installation but the controller symbols have changed and increased in quantity so it won’t be a great experience, as described above.

We don’t support Pianoteq 9 on Oram today, but will in the near future. Be patient or try the staging version of Oram that acts as the release candidate for the next stable release.

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